Officer Speaks Out About Charles Kinsey Shooting

Officer speaks out on Charles Kinsey shooting

Officer speaks out on Charles Kinsey shooting

Officer Speaks Out About Charles Kinsey Shooting

Through his union, the officer who shot Charles Kinsey is giving his side of the story. John Rivera, president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association, announced that the shooting was “accidental.” At the time of the shooting, the officer had actually been aiming for the man sitting on the ground next to Kinsey. Rivera advised that the officer believed that Kinsey’s life was in danger.

Earlier this week, police officers were dispatched to a call of a man with a gun, threatening suicide. Behavioral Therapist Charles Kinsey was with his autistic client, Rinaldo. Rinaldo was visibly agitated and carrying an object in his hand which turned out to be a toy truck. Police officers arrived and Charles Kinsey laid on his back with his arms up in the air. Video of the incident did not cover the actual time of the shooting.

Here is the video:

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We had previously suspected that the officer had been aiming for Rinaldo. We didn’t want to voice this suspicion too soon, because the officer was armed with a rifle. Any competent shooter should have been able to make that shot with a rifle, and there was little explanation for why Kinsey would be hit in the leg.

For those of you who are unfamiliar with firearms, it may have been difficult for a skilled shooter to use a pistol to strike a target at the distance between the officers and Rinaldo. However, that same shot is relatively easy with a rifle. For the officer to miss three rounds and be so far off that he fired them into Kinsey’s leg, the officer must be a horrible shot; it calls into question how frequently this officer has shot his rifle.

Hero

The union’s statement did not contradict Kinsey’s version of events, so we can only conclude at this point that Kinsey’s account is accurate. The hero in this incident is Charles Kinsey. He went into the road and stayed with his client to ensure that he wouldn’t be hurt. Kinsey did everything right, and he should never have been shot. Had Charles Kinsey not been with his client, there’s no telling what would have happened. Thank you, Charles Kinsey, for protecting your client.

Why Did This Happen?

In hindsight we know that Rinaldo was not actually a threat. However, the officer did not know that at the time. The officers were dispatched to a suicidal man with a gun, and upon their arrival, they saw an agitated man acting bizarrely. Rinaldo was holding an object that appeared to possibly be a gun. An armed suicidal man with a gun is a very extreme threat. There has been a 72% increase in officers killed this year, and police officers are on-edge when dealing with any situation where weapons may be involved. With the recent attacks on police, in addition to the circumstances in this incident, there’s no doubt that the officer had to be on-edge.

While he was on-edge, the officer failed to properly assess this situation. There were indicators that this situation was not as originally reported. It appeared that this officer continued to react to the call as it was originally dispatched, and he did not take the time to stop and assess the situation.

Had the officer properly assessed the situation, nobody would have been shot.

This Is A Nation-wide issue

From the officer’s failure to assess the situation, failure to recognize a person with a mental disability, and his exceptionally poor aim, we can only conclude that this officer had a severe lack of training. Police officers are constantly asking for more training, and departments want to give their officers more training, but there is not enough money available to provide a sufficient amount of ongoing training to police officers.

Conclusion

Had this officer received a sufficient amount of training, and had he not been on-edge, he likely would have stopped to assess the situation properly. This officer made a significant mistake. Hopefully we can move forward by ensuring that our police departments get the funding needed for training, and officers will be able to relax when people stop trying to assassinate us.

  • DinoBeliver

    The Officer made a mistake. It’s time that when that happens the Department involved admits that and deals with it. As a retired member of Law Enforcement I don’t understand how these cops today are pointing their guns at people who are not a threat. The one man had his empty hands up and was yelling that the other man had autism and was only holding a toy truck. Weapons should have been holstered. Survey the scene. No weapons, no threat, advance and deal with the situation. SMH….

    • hardresetamericadotcom

      As a fellow retiree, I agree with you 100%. It seems like a lot of young officers are severely lacking in common sense and are far too nervous and scared these days.

      • smith0288

        Nervous and jumpy? Gee…whatever could the reason be for that? /s

        • hardresetamericadotcom

          Not saying I don’t understand but at some point a bit of rational common sense needs to kick in. There was zero reason for any gunfire in this, maybe the academies are making them too paranoid these days, I don’t know, but it’s something. Maybe too concerned with academics and pc indoctrination and not enough high stress training.

        • 2crows

          I can see why they are starting to get nervous and jumpy they have created a big mess over the last couple years, shooting so many unarmed citizens is starting to get them shot

        • Constitutionyoucunt

          Because they’re cowards.

        • SixFootThree

          A man laying down with his arms in the air screaming I’M AN UNARMED BEHAVIORAL THERAPIST PLEASE DON’T SHOOT, THAT IS MY AUTISTIC PATIENT WITH A TOY TRUCK PLEASE DON’T SHOOT. Yes that’s real scary. Cry me a river

      • Independenceday

        Affirmative action? Have the standards been lowered to this point?

        • Dan

          Really? Affirmative action may be to blame? Pathetic…..

        • Kayla Boyce

          I’m gonna need you to connect the dots for me in that one. How did affirmative action cause this?

      • CeeZeeWeeZee

        College-aged people who are not cops? “Millennials with no drive, no common sense, no this, no that…” Put a badge on that same college-aged kid, and in the eyes of society, all those labels fall by the wayside. Why? Who says they’re not like the rest of their generation? Some young people with a badge need to spend a lot more time training & riding with more experienced officers and learn what it takes, and how to maintain your cool in difficult situations they will face every day.

        • Zona

          I thought people like this were exposed in the academy? Isnt that part of the purpose for it? It sure as hell was in boot camp.

      • michael92064

        A friend from a cop family left the academy when is seem job #1 was to get home safely every night. Everything else was way down on the priorities. Her father was a State Trooper and did his best to re-educate until it was pension time.

    • mullylin33

      Excuse me retired officer, but with all the killings of police that is going on….are you kidding??

      • DinoBeliver

        I worked when the Black Liberation Army was assassinating Officers like happened in Dallas. We didn’t have the body armor or sidearms that the cops today have. We had no Ar-15’s, or armored vehicles. Our protocol in the NYPD for an active shooter situation was to “look for an armored car” that was full of bank cash, and commandeer it. We were basically on our own. Very little “Aviation” or other technical support. I’m quite familiar with what is going on today. That said, these guys today need to show better tactics and better weapons control. In this case the Officer had cover and concealment. He was a good distance from the “subjects”. There was no information that suggested it was a threatening situation. Yet, the Officer took a position, and pointed his pistol at them and “accidentally” shot a man with his hands up. I am the first one to give a cop the benefit of the doubt. However, in this case if I were this guys partner or supervisor I would have to straighten his ass out.

        • Nick Washington

          Thank you for your service during those times. Yet it seems that you had the training, and the common sense ad dedication to do your job in a professional manner! I wish that professionals like you and the other LEOs on this thread could train these people!

      • Virgil Weber

        are you kidding me! In light of the social climate things are more challenging but LEO DO NOT succumb to paranoia. You handle each call professionally and tactically correct. Correct training and tactics is what serves you and the community best. I suspect you are an armchair cop and have not idea what really goes on. As for me I walked the thin blue line for 31 years and am now honorably retired. I am also a civilian firearms instructor. I speak from a position of real world experience. If any LEO can’t do their job professionally and ethically then time to man up and get out of the profession.

        • Stephen

          Well said.

        • Zona

          Or be on paid administrative leave. (OH and I agree with pretty much everything you are saying here..)

      • Bamross

        This is the kind of crap influencing things like that. Cops clearly being in the wrong and getting away with it. This cop needs to go to jail.

      • CeeZeeWeeZee

        So you’re saying we’re all suspect and deserve to be shot because a few INDIVIDUAL people shot police in various cities? Really?

      • Nick Washington

        70% of police are killed by white men, yet 80% of people killed by police are people of color. Yet, it seems that police have NO PROBLEM taking a combative white man into custody with no problem! If police are afraid, statistically, who should they really be afraid of?

        • DinoBeliver

          Your statistics are extremely wrong. Actually, Law Enforcement kills four times as many white people as it does blacks. It just doesn’t make the news the way the shooting of a black male does. If you were to figure the numbers by percent of reported crimes committed by blacks, and percent of persons killed by race white people should actually be the ones complaining. As far as “combative white men” goes I have to say that having been a Police Officer in the NYPD most white males I arrested went without a fight. Fighting with the Police increases the chance of one getting injured or killed, for both the Police and the Subject.

          • Nick Washington

            And why is that? Is it because there are many more white people in the population than black people. What is the PERCENTAGE of black people killed by police vs the percentage of white people killed by police? THAT is the relevant statistic! So you are saying that most black people that you arrested resisted arrest? What, in your opinion, was the reason for the differences between the white resistance to being arrested and the white resistance to being arrested?

          • DinoBeliver

            Actually the relevant statistic should be the percentage of crime committed by people of color. Why don’t you face the fact that blacks are much more likely to have police interactions due to their propensity to be involved in crime.

          • Nick Washington

            You have just contradicted yourself. If whites are killed 4 times as often as blacks, yet are NOT 4 times as NUMEROUS as blacks as a percentage of the population, wouldn’t that indicate that whites have AS MUCH OR MORE of a propensity to be involved in crime as blacks?! Also your previois comments show your prejudices.

          • Nick Washington

            No, the relevant statistic is the percentage of crime committed by whites. Ignoring it to make youself feel better doesn’t change it. Your argument is worthless, but you are gonna keep saying it anyway.

          • Zona

            Police interactions…..like this care taker dealt with? Was this why he was handcuffed and left bleeding in the street?

          • Zona

            Are more unarmed whites killed than unarmed blacks….by cops? I am just curious.

        • mullylin33

          All the recent killings of police were done by black men and it is black on black crime that is the most…those
          numbers are not correct. Time for people to stop blaming the world and take responsibility for their
          lives. Plenty of people of color have good lives because they live honest, good lives…period.

          • Nick Washington

            Time for idiot people like yourself to learn how to stop listening to other RWNJs and learn how to research. Most police are killed by WHITE MEN! Look up the FBI Crime Statistics! Always trying to blame others for shit you do!

          • Zona

            People of color have good lives because they live honest lives……well this guy is stand up and was STILL shot.

    • John’s Kawasaki

      I agree

    • Sammy Tumminaro

      “Internal affairs” a failed system which does not provide accountability. Independent oversight by the ‘local citizens’ is the only way to address these failures.

    • Constitutionyoucunt

      Not just the officer. Based on what you’re saying, they ALL made a “mistake”. I think this is poor training overall and pure negligence as a result. Not a mistake.

  • bws001

    The question is was he struck directly or was it a ricochet??

    • ladywriter24

      not really. no one should have been shot to start with. neither man was a threat. one was on the ground with his hands up and telling them the situation. the other one was not a threat. neither of them should have been shot. and compounding it..WHY the need to put Mr. Kinsey in handcuffs after he’d been shot? pardon my French but this was a clusterfuck from the start.

    • jmb

      That doesn’t matter…the point is the officer missed with a RIFLE that was admittedly aimed at the other man. Consequently, an innocent citizen was shot. Should NEVER have happened.

    • PabloPicasso

      Yep. The solution to someone who is labeled as suicidal and armed with a toy truck is to fire at him multiple times.

  • ladywriter24

    with all due respect if the officer was aiming for the other guy and ended up shooting Mr. Kinsey then i would have to say he is a horrible shot and perhaps should not have access to a weapon unless he gets a whole lot more practice time. this is terrible for all involved. from what i’ve seen of the video Mr. Kinsey should not have been shot; he did everything right and the other guy did not appear to be any type of threat. with all the recent murders of police officers it is understandable that LEO’s are nervous and for good reason. i don’t know what the solution is but i hope one is found soon.

    • Zona

      Accountability?

  • WhistlersMother

    This officer needs to find a new line of work and probably one that doesn’t involve being armed with a deadly weapon.
    What a mess and this couldn’t have happened at a worst time for our officers in Blue!

    • itfa

      This officer needs to be charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Being a police officer is not an excuse, but should rather be a reason to hold such persons to a high standard.

    • Doc

      McDonld’s or Burger King, come to think of it, he is not qualified for them either!!!!!!

  • marrel

    Gentlemen, I am grateful for your service and himsve great respect for you. I do not know what it is like to be a police officer do my question is innocent and not meant to defend or accuse. That said; the shooting was a very bad mistake. I am so very sorry for

  • Conclusion is a lack of training…
    This is thin, guys. Real thin. Sometimes – people are just not cut out to be a Police Officer. This might be one of those cases.

    • Bamross

      Yeah. A four year veteran? BS This was bias in its finest. Aledda needs to go to jail.

  • Dan Brownfield

    I wasn’t there to assess the situation, so I’m not going to judge whether the shots should have been taken or not. I just wont second guess an officer, if I wasn’t there. Media reports and phone videos just arent enough to rely on. Having said that, I have seen patrol rifles that had red dots, or even iron sights, that have been beat around in the trunk so bad you couldnt hit paper at 25 yards. A short shot into the pavement in front of the intended target could have resulted in a ricochet into the innocent…I do question, though, that if the officer truly intended to hit the autistic person but missed and hit the therapist, why then was the therapist turned over and cuffed? The story doesn’t quite add up to me. More details are needed, me thinks.

    • Joe

      I don’t think, my sights were bent or damaged from being in the trunk would be an adequate excuse for anything. An officers firearm/s are for his/her protection and the protection of the public. It should be checked daily or upon the start of his/her shift for any damage. If an officer discharges their weapon and his/her sights were damaged, and the result is an injury or death to an innocent person, that would be or should be criminal.

    • Jay Pee

      His intended target was big and stationary. If his story is to be believed, that he was shooting to protect Kinsey, then why didn’t he continue to shoot to neutralize the original threat?

  • Jim Wainwright

    I wasn’t there but based on video and statements, the cop should be fired for incompetance.

    • Bobbi Weston

      You shouldn’t comment on what he did. You don’t know what you would do .

  • SM55

    In checking with the FBI director as long as the officer didn’t intend to shoot him, he cannot be charged with anything.

    • Joe

      He intended to shoot somebody…multiple times! Incompetence, poor decision making, “high strung”, none of these are a good reason for injuring/killing somebody. Because this person wears a badge does not excuse him from accountability.

    • Zona

      He did intend on shooting someone so charged should be filed.

  • RainMaster

    Poster child of a person that should not have had a badge and gun issued. I support LEO, and their actions, 99.9% of the time…here is the .1%. He didn’t properly assess the situation, and shouldn’t have had his finger on the trigger.

  • Mac The Actor

    Can someone please explain to me why Mr. Kinsey was handcuffed and not given immediate medical aid if his shooting was an accident? This feels like a very glaring omission.

    • Sean South

      Can YOU explain why you’re so anti-cop? How hard is it to accept that a man is just trying to do his job in protecting the public? I’m so sick of this.

      • Bull Frog

        You say that he was trying to protect the public. Yet I’m sure that if you were assaulted by a lethal weapon while trying to do YOUR job, and then denied treatment while you were in the process of bleeding out, you wouldn’t feel so protected. Besides, Mac the Author pointing out a flaw in the writing doesn’t make him inherently anti-cop. It only makes him keen enough to recognize that there is more to this story than it seems.

      • Larrry007

        Probably just anti-idiot cop. How can you condone or support poor police procedure?

      • Kayla Boyce

        Why is it anti cop to inquire why a gunshot victim who was never considered a threat, was handcuffed and not tended to by the officers. We know now the cop was trying to shoot the kid with autism and shot Mr. Kinsey by mistake. All she asked- and it’s my question too- is why then handcuff him? And why not make an attempt to stop the bleeding?

      • Vain Freeman

        Because it was the public that was harmed and not protected in this case! It is not anti cop to try and get clarification where there is none!

      • Constitutionyoucunt

        Seems to me its you who is “anti-cop” by supporting bad cops

      • Nick Washington

        Can you explain why you are so cop?! We are tired of assholes like you trying to justify something that is completely unjustifiable!

      • Will Crump

        Because any idiot with half a lick of common sense could have figured this one out without shooting an unarmed citizen who had committed no criminal acts!!!!! Officers need to get off the power high and adrenaline rush and listen and observe. These officers are human trash as far as I’m concerned.

    • Security Guy

      Has anyone explained yet why Mr. Kinsey was handcuffed. I see in the thread responses below that two people have asked this question but so far we have not seen anyone with a response – other that similar to Sean South which seems to be that simply asking that question implies anti-cop and then he changed the narrative to avoid answering the question? It appears from all comments and what little info we have that Mr. Kinsey was accidentally shot but deliberately hand-cuffed. Police Union said that the officer was aiming for the autistic patient, but shot Mr. Kinsey by mistake, but does not say why Mr. Kinsey was handcuffed. Can anyone on this thread suggest a possible motive for that action?

      • Constitutionyoucunt

        What I can’t wrap my head around is the fact that the police were told over and over and over that he’s holding a toy truck and it was even repeated on dispatch. Why is that very important information left out of the article?

        • TJay229

          Because they want to push the “Cop’s are being targeted narrative” you can’t do that IF you tell the truth.

        • Will Crump

          Pro-cop bias. That’s why!

    • TJay229

      Because he was Black.

    • Will Crump

      Because the police force involved knows this was an illegal shooting and they’re doing their best to insulate themselves from criminal or civil penalties. They don’t care that they shot an innocent man. All they want to do is cover their own sorry, murderous, lying, untrustworthy, scummy, filthy, amoral rear ends!!!

  • jns1962

    I was a cop for 18 years and I immediately sensed the officer was aiming for the person sitting and threw his shot. With that said, that officer had 1. No business even attempting to shoot anyone 2. After firing two rounds and missing he obviously is a very poor shot and decided to shoot a third time, why? 3. If he is not a lead officer, which he probably was not why in the hell did he fire on his own. I have worked many attempted suicide calls and while you are more hyper sensitive to your surroundings you also assess and use your training to handle that type of call. This cop has no business being a cop. He has poor judgement, poor shooting skills and either lack of training or did not pay enough attention when training. I hope race is not brought into this because it was not race motivated. It was motivated by this dumb asses poor judgement and his total disregard for the proper assessment of the situation.

    • ladywriter24

      VERY well said. I support law enforcement 100% and always have and always will BUT not all cops should be cops. some just don’t have the right mentality or are power hungry or just don’t get it. a perfect example would be this guy.

      • Sean South

        So you support 100% of cops, but not all cops? You think some are power hungry but you support them anyway? I can’t begin to understand what you’re trying to say.

        • ladywriter24

          I said I support law enforcement 100%.i didn’t say I support 100% of cops. I was married to a cop before he got killed and yes, I think some are power hungry and those are the ones that shouldn’t be cops. I’m saying that just because there are a few bad cops doesn’t mean they are all bad and the majority of them are good. what don’t you understand?

          • Sean South

            I understand now. I’m very sorry. I have the absolute highest respect for anyone who gives their life in the line of duty.

          • ladywriter24

            I wasn’t trying to be bitchy. it breaks my heart hearing about these officer’s being killed every day. they have families and want to go home after their shift too. they don’t make the laws they just try to enforce them. if people don’t like the laws then they should try to change them not murder police officers. it’s heartbreaking.

          • SixFootThree

            Its heartbreaking to see a cop shoot at an autistic man and the behavioral therapist who is screaming IM UNARMED PLEASE DON’T SHOOT. People besides cops have families that they want to go home to see as well.

          • Nick Washington

            I posted on this before I saw your post. Just as families of service members serve alongside the so also do families of LEOs! I greave for you loss, as should we all.

        • Nick Washington

          Sean South, stop trying to change the narrative and answer why you are trying to justify the unjustifiable. Stop being a coward. She said she supports police 100%, not that she supports 100% of the police. CLEAR difference. You can’t begin to understand because because YOU DO NOT WANT to understand!

    • John Siders

      As an officer of 25 years I totally agree.

      • Michael Jenkins

        Ya that’s why he handcuffed the victim and didn’t know why he shot him? Please if you are going to lie at least make it believable. Less than 50 yards with an AR15? I can shoot a target in the head with an AR15 every time at 300 meters.

    • Virgil Weber

      I was going to reply but now only have to agree with you post. As an honorably retired Ca. LEO of 30 years and firearms instructor this was poorly handled. Just bc a call says one thing does not mean it is true. You have to access the circs for yourself. Having retired as a supervisor I also hate to pass judgement until all the facts are know but on its face value this on is not going to paint this LEO, his agency or LE in general in good light. North Miami city council can start a closed meeting on how big a check they are going to write to Kinsey. It would have been much worse if he had actually hit his target …… the headline would read. North Miami Officer shoots Autistic man holding a toy truck. Yikes!

      • sgmiami

        as a civillian I wonder why there was no binoculars? bizarre. regarless the therapist repeatly said what the situation was. that officer could have murdered an honorable, educated, family man. he should be charged accordingly. or he could have murdered a hapless autistic man. then the commander immediatly lied. we want to trust our men in blue, situations like this are beyond the pale. I live in North Miami, which is predominatley black. I do not fear criminals, I fear the police, and I am white. I have lived in fear of police my entire life. in nyc, los angeles and in Miami. when i see a cop car in my rear view mirror, I am like, oh shit what am i going to get into. they drive very aggressive, break all the traffic laws, scream at you if you get pulled over, they set up situations, like drive unmarked cars, when the light turns green, sit there, inviting one to honk the horn, drive around them, then get pulled over and screamed at and threatend. bienvenidoes en Mi Ami. no bueno. most in Miami feel like I do, regardless of race. we do not feel protection, we feel threatened. by the men and women we pay out of our pockets to protect us. I work in South Beach, directly accros the street from police headquarters and never ever see a police presence on the street. only going to starbucks or the diner. and miami beach has the highest crime rate of any city in florida, every year, year after year, in the entire state. fbi stats. what goes on in front and back of my office is beyond beleif. criminals know that the police in miami beach are not around and it is easy pickings. right in front of headquarters. i am from a large irish family in nyc, I had 5 cousins and uncles who were cops, and they were all exterme bigots, nigger, spic, whatever was thier vocabulary, one cousin, lyle, would steal/confiscate fireworks every year from black people and give them to us. When I was in LA, I was at one of those very long lights on santa monica blvd, and had to get to a bathroom asap, and a police set up was in the parking lot at the 711 next to me, I went through the light and was pulled over, and forced to stand on one leg with flashlights in my eye, with my arms out stretched, and count backward by 7’s from 1000. when i messed up I was arrested, on the way to the station, against the law, they would pull over Mexicans, instead of taking me direct to the station. then I was handcuffed to the bottom of a radiator until i was given a breathilizer, where it came up under the limit, and the officer screamed at me to “blow harder”, still under the limit i was processed and was in a cell with a dozen others until morning then sent to court, held in a large cell with dozens of others and processed again to be convicted of running a red light, still not having gone to the bathroom. it was horrific. i was arrested not for being drunk, but for having a jewish sounding last name, being from nyc and having a gay guide to l a in my car. easy pickings.

      • SixFootThree

        All the facts? Give me a break all the “facts” are clear as day on a video even a blind person could use his ears and hear the BEHAVIORAL THERAPIST yelling WE ARE UNARMED AND THIS IS MY AUTISTIC PATIENT WITH A TOY TRUCK. Those are the FACTS! Attempted murder!

    • Niya Watson

      The guy is SWAT.

  • Joseph Molion

    From everything I read about the incident, the guy who got shot ANNOUNCED that the other guy had a toy truck, not a gun. If they assumed that Kinsey wasn’t a threat, why didn’t they take his cue that the guy he told them only had a truck was on the level, and NOT pull their guns? I’m usually 100% cop, and I’m a fan of the 2nd, but this smells like bullshit and cover-up.

    • Richard Alexander

      Cover-up? If so, if would be the worst cover-up in history. It’s human nature that once the adrenaline is pumping, it takes time to ratchet things down. The big issue here appears to be poor trigger discipline. I’ve yet to figure how how three shots were fired.

      • Trever Williams

        You said “It’s human nature that once the adrenaline is pumping, it takes time to ratchet things down.” I agree, and the cops that aren’t able to do that shouldn’t be allowed to be cops anymore.

        • Richard Alexander

          I expect that this will continue to be a problem as long as police departments have to recruit from the human race. To err is human and no amount of training can stop all errors. If you think you can do better (and maybe you can) I’d bet your local department is hiring.

      • Jay Pee

        You know the cop’s commander was suspended without pay for fabricating his report (or lied to investigators) about this incident, right?

      • Rafael Jackson

        I don’t buy that. These cops handel life and death situations daily, so they knew this wasn’t one of them. Rarely is the 1st confession true. This was attempted murder.

  • Joe

    The officer acted with negligence. Let’s not make any excuses about it. The City, The people trust this person to serve and protect. They arm him, they train him, it makes it worse, not better that he “missed” his intended target. If three rounds were discharged, how many hit the gentleman on the ground and how many went God knows where? I understand this officer may not encounter this situation on a daily basis, but he encounters other situations that forces him to think and assess the situation in front of him. Is this officer breaking leather every time he does a stop? Is he treating every stop like a high risk takedown? I will not make excuses for his actions. This officer made a decision to fire on two unarmed men. One with his hands in the air, yelling his identification and that of the other gentleman. Now, I understand the officer has to match the words with the picture in front of him. Being armed and behind cover, I’m sure he had the time to do an adequate assessment before discharging his firearm multiple times.

    • Rafael Jackson

      All LEOs acted neglectful because they let the victim get handcuffed instead of rendering first aid. All the officers who were there are responsible don’t make a scapegoat outta one. There are some horrible LEOs who are trained by horrible departments. The overwhelming majority of departments have excellent officers who protect us. We have got to stop covering up for these bad ones. Thats the reason ppl think all officers are trigger happy racist. This is black and white attempted murder. Ive seen convictions with less.

  • Cheryl Gordon Dorfman

    Really? 3 shots fired, meaning to hit a man with autism? Playing with a toy? Kinsey described what was happening to the police, but the officer shot anyway? And if they were protecting Kinsey why did they handcuff him and let him bleed for 20 minutes before getting him medical aid? This is how the police are protecting people? If a police officer is this on edge, it’s time to find another job.

    • JSStryker

      Where did the other 2 shots go that missed?

  • Ray

    LMAO YOU PEOPLE ARE A FUCKING JOKE. GREAT COVER UP STORY!! HE SHOT HIM ON PURPOSE AND HE WAS PROBABLY AIMING FOR HIS HEAD!! I DONT NEED YOUR BULLSHIT EXPLANATION AND MANIPULATION!! IF CHARLES WAS WHITE THE SITAUTION WOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED DIFFERENTLY!! FUCK THE BOYS IN BLUE!!!!! HOPE HIS SON GETS POPPED SO HE CAN FEEL OUR PAIN

  • mullylin33

    Move forward??? That Kingsley already has a lawyer…he is going after the money…that is what these yahoos do!!! I do not fault the officer, he got a report that implied a person was armed etc…what the heck was he suppose to do..he was trying to do his job…so sick of this crap.

    • Joe Fox

      There’s definitely something shameful here – namely this cop-wannabee who couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn. He doesn’t deserve a badge.

    • Sean South

      Here here! All these people ever want to do is complain. They don’t WANT to believe that law enforcement is colorblind and just find every possible desperate reason to play the “victim”.

      • Rachel Davis

        Ummmmm in this case he is a victim

  • AuteursRevenge

    Doesn’t pass the smell test, why handcuff the guy you claim you were trying to protect? How bout an apology, an honest explanation to the guy you shot and a commitment to do better in the future.

    • Trever Williams

      Great comment!

  • John’s Kawasaki

    lol, the cop has his side of the story, when 380 million people, I mean 379,999,999 or maybe 379,900,000 thinks he’s fucking stupid, or trigger happy, or just plain fucking dumb, but, he has his side of the story….

    • Virgil Weber

      And boy will he have some splanin to do! He will be judged by the standard of what would the average LEO given the same circs, training, information and conditions do. Is he in policy? Was there a real and present threat to his life or the life of another.

  • John’s Kawasaki

    I wonder how people can minimize the entire action by using the word “mistake”, its a distortion to the facts, a disrespect to human intelligence, its wanting to take the people who pay for this cop for fools, this “mistake” could have gone into that mans head, this “mistake” could have made a new spread of violence against police, this “mistake” was towards a black man and a mentally ill, this “mistake” is one more of many others, this “mistake” from a police officer, if it would have been the other way around it was attempted murder, plus a public execution by the other police officers, this “mistake” could have caused that his partners to also shot, the call was so undemanding that his partners didn’t shot, I remember Miami riots for shit like this, this “mistake” will cost the city MILLIONS, and thank GOD we are not seeing a riot or else it would cost the city much more MILLION$$, its a huge mistake if the CITY OF MIAMI does not FIRE and PROSECUTE

  • John’s Kawasaki

    I’ve seen people in Miami go to jail years for lot less, its an outrage

  • 2crows

    Higher standards please… Raise the bar. Our cops need better screening, better training, and more accountability… Stop killing us

    • Trever Williams

      I agree wholeheartedly. I would add better pay to the list as well. Something about being a cop seems to attract a few arrogant, trigger happy assholes, and I can see why. They get to handle guns and have authority over people. We need to do a better job of weeding those kind of people out. Raising the standards so that only skilled, intelligent, cool headed, professionals qualify, and raising their pay so that they’re happy with their career choice would make a big difference.

      • 2crows

        Oh, I also agree with higher pay; make it a whole different kind of career choice. The only reason I don’t put that out there as a starter, is that that’s the only thing those apes see…”Yeah..we should be paid more for all we put up with..grunt, grunt” (scratch balls). Thank you for your reply…

      • TJay229

        “more pay”

        If the pay is so bad, why take the job? You can “serve” people working on the sanitation truck, their checks are cut by the same city/County dept.

        How about a better process to weed out bad cops to start. That way you don’t have these problems. Better pay is not going to solve this.

  • Lew Taylor

    Does no one at all question how a 911 caller is able to label an autistic man with a toy a ‘suicidal man with a gun’ and not have it verified by the first responders? What would have taken, a pair of binoculars, to better determine the circumstances?

    • Virgil Weber

      after 31 years in LE I can attest to one fact…..the dispatcher only relays the info as provided by a witness who may or may not have any info correct. You have to access…..access and access for yourself.

      • Rachel Davis

        As a dispatcher in a large city, officers get what we tell them and we only get what the caller tells us. We try to read between the lines for the most accurate picture we can but we are on the phone. Officers are (or are supposed to be) trained to asses a situation upon arrival for that reason. This man (he is not worthy in my opinion to be honored with the title of officer) did not asses at all and none of this should have happened. I could shoot a RIFLE better than that in my sleep and 99% of officers I know wouldn’t have missed with a handgun. Thanks Virgil for being exactly correct

      • TJay229

        Dispatch relayed “it was a toy” he ignored that.

  • Sammy Tumminaro

    Sheer incompetence is the root of the matter. Stop with the dishonest narrative. By spouting such BS are putting more officers at risk.

    • Trever Williams

      Well stated!

  • Trever Williams

    Being a police officer is an extremely stressful and challenging job, and firing a pistol accurately under pressure is a lot harder than it looks. That’s why the ones that can’t handle it shouldn’t be allowed to be police officers any more. They don’t need better training, they just need to be weeded out.

  • Shelly Thomason Jordan

    Just a reminder that we are all capable of making an accident and killing someone. Doctors do it, nurses do it, kids do it and many Not saying it’s right, but am saying we are all human and capable of accidentally hurting or killing someone.. You are all perfectly capable of getting into a vehicle and killing someone by having an accident. Should you never be allowed to drive again? We are so which to make judgements when it isn’t us.

    • Kayla Boyce

      Yes. Hell yes. If you kill someone driving a car, you should never get to drive again. Are you freaking serious? “Oops, killed a guy. Well, carry on I guess.”

      • Zona

        I saw that and caught that was well. OH well…ooops. But hey, lets train better. No, this guy should be prosecuted. He is the epitome of a bad cop and should not be in any way associated with Law Enforcement in my opinion. Civilians dont get mulligans when they attempt to and actually do shoot people. Neither should bad cops. No, not all of them are bad but dont try and cover them up niehter…like his on site supervisor try to do. Why did she immediately go into that mode? Because that is the norm. Cover up, and make a shoot right.

  • Ryan James Loyd

    A question for officers on here- I have noticed in a number of incidents over the last few years that officers don’t seem to listen to what anybody involved actually says until they have total situational control, focusing on Immediate compliance and jumping straight to force while people are wondering what the hell is going on. It Seems like often they don’t bother to

    de-escalate tense situations, or thoroughly assess what’s going on before the overwhelming force option.
    I know this isn’t the case with all departments, all the officers I’ve ever known have been nothing but extremely professional.
    But is this a training thing? Is it officer temperment?
    I’m sure there’s a certain amount of “Not listening to people” you have to do, as you don’t want to get conned into a dangerous situation, and people lie, but?
    And, as an addendum, there are a number of incidents of suicidal people being shot. I don’t understand why a call for a suicide would result in force rather than attempted de escalation. Is it the mere presence of a weapon? (though honestly, I think we need… Something other than police to deal with that sort of thing, we don’t expect you guys to put out fires or be EMT’s. I know you guys have to deal with every-damn-thing, and see the worst of us all the time… I don’t know man)

    Thoughts? Just trying to understand where these (what seem to be) tendencies are coming from.

  • Kayla Boyce

    I have to admit, I did not expect to see this article acknowledge the poor decision making by the officer. And spot on about the lack of training. Not often I see those on your side willing to take an honest look at what the officer did incorrectly. Maybe there’s hope after all.

  • TOPDOG1

    Whoever wins let’s just hope it is not that idiot Gov. John Bel Edwards, The Authoritarians offer only subjugation and intensive micro-management by all levels of government,especially law enforcement..Likewise; they all demand absolute immediate and blind obedience as well as extortion level tribute in the form of State and property over-taxation. These people will be coming out of power one way or the other.. The world has had enough of these goosestepping despots and tyrants even before the S.S. marched onto the world stage. Very Very many of us will not tolerate an Authoritarian police state, complete with their twisted Manifest Destiny,.With the Authoritarians in power American taxpayers become only subjugated working stock to support a massive corporate police state, Chattel, capable of only loud but fierce, bleating as they are repeatedly fleeced..

    • Brownknight

      You talk purdy. Scary “out there” purdy,….but purdy.

  • John Baker

    This officer should not be one. Of that I have little doubt.

  • Jay Pee

    I don’t see a good explanation for this:

    If it’s truly a cop with poor judgement and aim who was “protecting” Kinsey by targeting the autistic young man:

    – why was Kinsey cuffed without any attempts at medical treatment?
    – why didn’t the officer, after missing his intended target, keep shooting at the perceived danger — the autistic man?
    – why did the cop’s Commander, Emile Hollant, get suspended for fabricating his report on the incident?

  • Joe Jackson

    I can’t profess to know what it is like to be in a profession of such high risks. I know that I am not a fit for such a profession. As a result, I wouldn’t enter such unless I had no other options. That said, I take issue with efforts to rationalize this officer’s actions as the result of “being on edge”. He, like me, is an intelligent adult capable assessing his own state of mind, and if that state of mind makes him potentially dangerous to the public in performing his duty or makes him unable to perform competently, then he should seek other work out of love for himself and humanity. i know that I am far too jumpy to ever have a job that requires me to be a potential target and to hold I lives in my hand. I knew this long before recent events because I always understood law enforcement as a dangerous occupation. If this officer feels that his job is too dangerous, causing him to be a danger to the public he serves, then it seems the most responsible step to take would be to enter a different occupation. It should never be acceptable for anyone, especially those in positions responsible for people’s safety, to suggest that their ability to uphold that responsibility is dependent on their general sense of fear surrounding the job they took on. I get that people are afraid. I’m afraid, you’re afraid. But, we are a free country, we do not have to remain in jobs in which we are so afraid that we become dangerous.

    That said, I appreciate you. I agree that the challenges we face regarding policing is about training. People need to be trained on de-escalation tactics, managing mental health crisis, the psychology of implicit bias and community building. I think we also need to revisit some of the policies and procedures that structure these encounters. But mostly, I think we need to ask ourselves as a society how do we want to define the role of law enforcement in our communities. I do not think our officers should risk their lives, nor should lives be taken as a result of broken taillights. Sometimes I wonder if police should be like our other first responders, like they only show up when someone needs help. I don’t know, but what I do know, is like you, I’d like to stop being afraid.

    All things kind to you

  • David George

    I’m glad actual officers are criticizing police offices for once. All these unconditional police lovers who have never done the job themselves, who have never experienced the cognitive dissonance of being loyal to your brother in blue and doing what’s right by reporting some of them. Sometimes officers are incompetent, sometimes officers take out their life’s frustrations on civilians. Sometimes officers are holding on too tight, like cougar from top gun, And need to turn in their badge or get off the street. With great power comes great responsibility. Maybe they don’t preach that enough now a days.

  • Terry S

    Maybe the officer had an antique, 19th century rifle with no rear sight, and that’s why his aim was off. It could have been his first day on the job, so that’s what the department gave him as an initiation. Happens all the time, right?

    • Terry S

      Oh wait, rifles had rear sights in those days, too.

  • Shadow

    That pig should get the gas chamber.

  • Watchman X

    Here’s something I’m curious about. Why is there so much money in the budget for giant tanks and crazy armor and long guns but no money in the budget for proper training? I’m not trying to be a smart ass, I’m genuinely asking. I feel like the priorities need to shift. As a nation we need to think more about how we are approaching policing our citizens. I realize that not every situation can be fixed with negotiation and deescalation is not always a possibility. However, there has to be a shift. we can not have officers on the force who are this poorly trained.

  • Great_circle

    The unit commander Cmdr. Emile Hollant radioed that a man was loading his weapon just before healthcare
    professional Charles Kinsey was shot. Then he misleads the shooting probe. So how is the community supposed to trust any department when the supervisor is willing to mislead investigators on a police shooting. All credibility is lost and it takes a long time to get that trust back.

  • Faith Sylvester

    His patient’s name is Arnaldo Rios. If you’re going to report this and try to justify a man now in a psychiatric hospital, incredibly traumatised by the treatment he received from police officers, at least get his name correct.

  • Shawn Torry

    I just cannot bring myself to believe that this SWAT officer would have such a big problem hitting a stationary target. That defies logic, then rather than provide aid to the innocent man he just shot, they instead place him in handcuffs? BS excuses like this is why so many people have no respect for law enforcement.

  • Bamross

    This officer needs to be more than fired. He needs to go to jail.

  • sgmiami

    as a civillian I wonder why there was no binoculars? bizarre. regarless the therapist repeatly said what the situation was. that officer could have murdered an honorable, educated, family man. he should be charged accordingly. or he could have murdered a hapless autistic man. then the commander immediatly lied. we want to trust our men in blue, situations like this are beyond the pale. I live in North Miami, which is predominatley black. I do not fear criminals, I fear the police, and I am white. I have lived in fear of police my entire life. in nyc, los angeles and in Miami. when i see a cop car in my rear view mirror, I am like, oh shit what am i going to get into. they drive very aggressive, break all the traffic laws, scream at you if you get pulled over, they set up situations, like drive unmarked cars, when the light turns green, sit there, inviting one to honk the horn, drive around them, then get pulled over and screamed at and threatend. bienvenidoes en Mi Ami. no bueno. most in Miami feel like I do, regardless of race. we do not feel protection, we feel threatened. by the men and women we pay out of our pockets to protect us. I work in South Beach, directly accros the street from police headquarters and never ever see a police presence on the street. only going to starbucks or the diner. and miami beach has the highest crime rate of any city in florida, every year, year after year, in the entire state. fbi stats. what goes on in front and back of my office is beyond beleif. criminals know that the police in miami beach are not around and it is easy pickings. right in front of headquarters. i am from a large irish family in nyc, I had 5 cousins and uncles who were cops, and they were all exterme bigots, nigger, spic, whatever was thier vocabulary, one cousin, lyle, would steal/confiscate fireworks every year from black people and give them to us. When I was in LA, I was at one of those very long lights on santa monica blvd, in the middle of the block, not an intersection, and had to get to a bathroom asap, and a police set up was in the parking lot at the 711 next to me, I went through the light and was pulled over, and forced to stand on one leg with flashlights in my eye, with my arms out stretched, and count backward by 7’s from 1000. when i messed up I was arrested, on the way to the station, against the law, they would pull over Mexicans, instead of taking me direct to the station. then I was handcuffed to the bottom of a radiator until i was given a breathilizer, where it came up under the limit, and the officer screamed at me to “blow harder”, still under the limit i was processed and was in a cell with a dozen others until morning then sent to court, held in a large cell with dozens of others and processed again to be convicted of running a red light, still not having gone to the bathroom. it was horrific. i was arrested not for being drunk, but for having a jewish sounding last name, being from nyc and having a gay guide to l a in my car. easy pickings. one man was arrested for sleeping in his car, parked legally, for dui, the judge was disgusted. mexican of course

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  • Sulla Felix

    While the officer, the department and the union deserve 1000% of the criticism they are getting, I feel like there should be an equal amount of scorn heaped on the racist, POS witness who caused this situation to occur. People like this are oxygen thieves and should be spat on, treated like the second-class citizens they are. I hope the witness gets exactly whats coming to him/her/them.

    • Zona

      I thought so at first as well..until I found out She said, the black guy looks like he is trying to help the mentally disturbed (she said this and was correct). The only thing she said that was inaccurate was the gun and I get that. She is not the professional. Everyone…EVERYONE said he was unarmed and it was a toy after the “professionals” assessed the situation…yet he still shot. I am not going to say, all this guy heard was black guy and gun, but come on.

  • CeeZeeWeeZee

    Maybe if they spent less on military toys and more on actual police work-related training this shit would stop happening?

  • Todd Miller

    This man has no business wearing a badge or carrying a weapon.

  • Michael Jenkins

    You lying sacks of you know what. Less than 50 yards with an AR15 AND YOU MISSED??? Then after hitting the victim while the threat was still intact you stop shooting run over and handcuff the victim then exclaim you don’t know why you shot him?? You should be shot in the face you POS LIAR.

  • TJay229

    I read this BS post and have yet to read the part where “ALL OFFICERS KNEW IT WAS A TOY TRUCK.”

    It was broadcast over their radio by dispatch, even Charles said it, so he heard it. He has no business being on the police force. And I hope Mr. Kinsley sues the city dry plus sues the officer personally in hopes that he takes everything he has till the day he dies, and then collect from his estate.

    All Cop’s aren’t bad, granted. But all people don’t need to be Cop’s. And this moron (who was on the SWAT TEAM) definitely doesn’t need to be one. Put him in the property room or working the desk answering the phone, anything where he doesn’t have to carry a gun, have arrest power and he can pay Mr. Kinsley off.

    Black Lives Matter!

  • drbattie

    If they were truly trying to shoot the autistic man then 1) that is awful and 2) why leave Mr. Kinsey handcuffed and bleeding on the hot pavement for 20 minutes?

  • Herox Ramu

    So the cop is 100% wrong. Now the BLM retards will pull this up every time a just shooting takes place.. ” see, see, they are hunting us”, or whatever kinda bs. As far as I can tell, this stupid crap happens to all colors of people.. Punish the cop. Nothing to bad

  • michael92064

    On the SWAT team and does not have enough training? Handcuffed the person he was trying to protect and did not give aid for 20 mins?

  • Will Crump

    The outlandish excuses being proffered for this criminal act insult the intelligence of us all. This was no accident and the superior on the scene was not guilty of “miscommunication”. He lied his rear end off. Both should be charged for assault with a deadly weapon and violation of Mr. Kinsey’s civil rights. That no charges have been filed means that these two rogue cops will get off scott-free as usual. Police should never have been allowed to unionize.